Whats missing in the tea world?

There have been so many innovations and new teas introduced to us in the West over the past decade or so, yet there is still so much to be discovered.

Is there a void in the tea world? A tea or vessel or anything that we need but don’t yet have easily accessible? Companies are looking to make tea makers in new ways for cafes and new blends are constantly introduced.

If you were in control, and you are in a way, what would you introduce?

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AllanK said

I’d try to get restaurants to stop using tea bags and serve real tea I suppose. When you go to a restaurant and pay for an expensive meal you are generally offered the lowest quality tea with your dessert.

Very good point. The same could be said for cafes, or even tea shops. There is not enough quality tea available/

AllanK said

I am lucky locally to have two good local tea shops (not counting Teavana and David’s Tea). One is called Clipper Ship Tea Company and the other is called The Pleasures of Tea. Both are on Long Island. Both sell tea of good quality in general. Sometimes I get something I didn’t like but the quality is generally there. One of them, however, did mislabel Hunan hei cha as Puerh though.

yeah. I was pretty horrified eating at Club 33, which is $10k per year membership, $25k initiation fee, $150 to eat a meal there and tea with my dessert was Bigelow.

It doesn’t bother me per se because I hardly ever go out to eat, however I do agree – this is a complaint I’ve heard from many tea-lovers. You can go to almost any quality restaurant and get a very nice espresso from an expensive machine they keep well polished, but ask for tea…

Misty Peak Teas I don’t think it’s because “There is not enough quality tea available” …the good tea is out there. It’s something deeper and more complex (at least here in the USA)…the reign of Coffee Culture, the lack of knowledge, the lack of customers who know better / been exposed to better…

9 Thousand things, youre right..its available, yet some shops/restaurants just dont have the need or education to source it yet. Coffee represented the anti-tea pro-American movement for years during the revolution, and it is still here. One day, we will win :)

LuckyMe said

I think tea culture needs to grow in America first before restaurants will improve their offerings. Look at coffee. 20 years ago, when you ordered coffee at restaurants they served you a pot of bitter, tasteless sludge that had been sitting on a hot plate all day. Nowadays even McDonald’s has fancy espresso drinks.

Starbucks was instrumental in revolutionizing coffee in America and although I’m not a fan, you have to credit Teavana for helping tea make inroads. They may very well help popularize tea in the same way as Starbucks did for coffee.

IMO, it’ll take a bit longer for tea to really take off because as Misty Peak Teas stated, we’re a nation of coffee drinkers.

Not just restaurants, but any place that already serves tea bags.

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I personally would love it if restaurants offering teas, more specifically green teas, would use proper temperature. My local coffee shop prepares Sencha at 208°F and it is the most vile tasting thing ever. I just find the lack of knowledge of a product being offered isn’t good for business and if you’re not going to take proper care to ensure product quality then it shouldn’t be offered. I work at both my local tea shop and as a coo in the coffee house and I hate having to explain to baristas that the reason their green tea is bitter and gross is because they didn’t make it properly.

AllanK said

Sometimes I have gotten a white tea from Teavana and have been pretty sure it was prepared at 208 degrees just because of how hot it was.

Tamarindel said

This! It’s impossible to get green tea at Starbucks and not have them scald it to death.

AllanK said

If a customer wants sugar in his tea the Teavana sales person is not in a position to refuse. When I go for tea there they always ask if I want sugar. I rarely stop at Teavana anymore.

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Brian said

nothing really. the last thing i want is for tea to become modernized and have a gimick……… thats the whole reason i drink puerh in the traditional style. to get away from the horrible modern day world.

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Honestly? Cute tea blogs with nice photos. There are so many foodie blogs but I feel like there is a serious lack in the tea world.

Check out my tea blog, hope you approve! http://tastethetea.co.uk/
This month I’m looking at including some single origin content, and an interview or two with some suppliers. Towards the end of the month I’m off to Canada and will be bringing back samples from the US and Canada to review along with interviews from canadian supplier too! Don’t forget to subscribe!

Oh cool! Thank you so much for sharing!!!

boychik said

There are so many tea blogs. I’ll try to give you links by tomorrow. You will be reading non stop. :)

Teasenz said

I think there are many good tea blogs out there. @TasteTheTea, good job on your blog as well. For nice photos, Instagram is the place to be.

cookies said

I definitely agree. There are lots of tea blogs, but well designed ones with nice photos are oddly absent. They’re so prevalent in every single other hobby/interest I have, it’s really weird they’re missing in the tea world.

There are som tremendous tea blogs out there. Boychik definitely knows some, but I really like WorldOfTea or Steepstories or TeaForMePlease but there are dozens that are very nice, but maybe you are looking for something unique.

boychik said

@Madam Oolong i found a thread here with many blogs, hopefully some will be interesting for you

http://steepster.com/discuss/65-tea-blogs

Ginkosan said

ooh

cuckoossong.wordpress.com

There are sooo many tea blogs out there, here is my list of all the ones I know about, including great long dead ones that are still gold mines for information. https://www.bloglovin.com/people/soggyenderman-5256107/following since it is my bloglovin stuff there are some blogs in there not tea related, but the majority of the list is tea. Hopefully you will find some you like :)

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Rasseru said

the pu.f.o.

flying puerh cake delivery service straight to your door.

I can see it… Beeng-shaped drones delivering tongs to the needy. The world would be a better place, for sure.

AllanK said

Amazon is already working on the drone delivery part. I am sure they could deliver tea this way. I think at this point the hurdles are more legal than anything else.

Rasseru said

yeah they are in the uk for sure, due to airspace laws

LOL!

Teasenz said

If starts Amazon delivering with drones, imagine how many of those things will be flying around. Definitely not save lol…but it would be cool to receive tea that way :)

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A lot of unrealistic things are missing…

free shipping for larger orders on taobao
legal shipped cannabis and camellia sinensis blends
time traveling leaf to test aging properties
lot and lots more tea humor
and I guess the pu.f.o since I am not doing it :/

AllanK said

How about something unrealistic like reasonable shipping rates through Taobao agents instead of the extra money they now charge.

I paid $43 for 4.3kg and $78 for 7.00kg
Those prices seem fair for what I purchased, though I get a company discount…

mrmopar said

What kind of tea is cannabis? Is it grown in China? On taobao’s site?

legal shipped cannabis and camellia sinensis blends
Here are the folks you need to talk to for that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/treas

mrmopar said

Yah, I am having a bit of humor. I do remember the younger days though. Relocation may be eminent.

@mrmopar Oregon?? ;-)

mrmopar said

Only if there is a need for a tea shop operator job open.

@mrmopar I doubt I would ever open a tea shop. Finding customers in Central Oregon that like to drink pu-erh is like finding a needle in a haystack. The tea shop I had in the wholesale market in Kunming was alot of fun, but it was more of a place for other tea sellers to come and drink tea with me. I’d play Herbie Hancock and Thin Lizzy followed by Tuvan throat singing. Good times.

mrmopar said

And as they say the Boys are back in town! You may need a good warehouse person one day. 28 years of route work and inventory skills could come in handy one day….. ;). Oh and time off to Salmon fish would be a bonus getting a good warehouse person.

This is a great idea…with all the contributors on this site, we would have one heck of a tea shop. Idk about the cannibis though…

Bitterleaf said

“legal shipped cannabis and camellia sinensis blends”

I’d be lying if I said the idea didn’t pop into my head as soon as Justin Trudeau was elected prime minister. International shipping would be a pain in the ass though…

Ginkosan said

@Scott,
If ya wanna open one in Boulder I’d man it. Sort of a tea town but missing real quality, I think it might be ready.

@Ginkosan I agree Boulder seems ready. I only wish I was… working 80 hours a week for the last several years without any kind of time off. Once I figure that out I could consider taking on a new project. Thanks for the offer!

Ginkosan said

In all seriousness do keep that in mind… I know qualified people who would drop what they’re doing right now to start a quality tea shop over here. Agree that there’s a disappointing lack of consumer education and vendor quality, especially with brick and mortar stores.

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Cwyn said

Probably the biggest gap I see right now is in tea ware, teapots and interesting gaiwans ranging from 60ml to 120ml tops. In other words, small single serving gong fu vessels. In the west people drink alone. We don’t need big honker tea pots, and if we do, then we will probably buy western style. I notice how small gongfu tea ware sells out fast.

+1

AllanK said

Most people who frequent my two local tea shops brew exclusively Western style. Therefore they carry very few small pots. The one shop had a nice selection of Yixing pots but the smallest I saw was about 10oz or so. I no longer buy large Yixing pots. The big ones in my collection of pots stay idle now.

cookies said

Yes, please. And may I add cups to hold a single-person teapot? All the lovely Chinese cups are I come across are ~30-50oz. I would love to be able to pour a whole 100mL teapot into one cup.

I’ve never heard it put that way, thats fascinating “In the west we drink alone”. You bring up a good point…maybe something the Petr Novaks of the world can put together…maybe the demand hasn’t surpassed the supply yet. Cookies, there are some really nice double-wall glass tea cups that are about 8-12 ounces, maybe youve seen them?

LuckyMe said

Most brick and mortar shops are clueless about gong fu cha. They only know how to steep western style. Tea infuser mugs are the only single serving teaware I’ve seen at tea shops.

I once naively asked a salesperson at Teavana if they carried gaiwans. He clearly had no idea but tried to figure it out through the process of elimination by showing me every single piece of teaware in the store.

Bitterleaf said

As much as I love all my gongfu teaware, when I’m working at home I tend to just use a 80ml or 100+ml cup for drinking. It’s convenient to be able brew 3 infusions (2 cups + GDB) and sip on those while doing something else. Gongfu purists might cringe, but it’s a practical way to enjoy my tea when I have other things on the go.

Cwyn said

Petr Novak can’t keep up with demand. His pots sell within hours. Recently, his winter gallery club sale sold out in under two hours, with teapots (not shibos) gone in a half hour. Petr also sells on a couple of tea websites, the teapots again gone, most within hours. It takes him months to even get a small stock of pots ready to sell because of the high breakage rate in the kiln, not to mention he is a single artist hand throwing everything he makes.

If you check Chawangshop or Yunnan Sourcing, they sell new and vintage clay pots. Anything under 120 ml, especially under 100ml, out of stock. Just about any shop I look at online for puerh pots specifically have plenty of 200ml on up, those pots sit and sit. You’d think vendors would get it that big pots are slow to sell and focus on bringing in small sizes. Shibos and gaiwans are easy to come by, by comparison, but even these go out of stock.

@Cwyn It’s not about vendors “getting it” so much as the people who make the pots. In China, smaller pots are not popular at all, nobody drinks tea alone and so 180-300ml are the standard. Giving a small pot as a gift in China would be considered kind of cheap or insulting, much like gifting a 100 gram pu-erh cake. We constantly push the teapot makers to make some smaller pots and even pay them in advance for their creations. Regardless, the artists are often just plain averse to doing things differently. We order 10 small pots and get 5 and a promise to make 5 more “soon”. So… I do agree we need more of them… the solution isn’t as simple as it ought to be!

Cwyn said

There are plenty of sellers on Etsy who are potters making small pots, or doing larger ones who could be approached with the idea of making smaller ones. Many of them would love to get off of Etsy or EBay and have a wider retail presence. I know one guy making bark style bonsai pots who could easily make the same item without the holes and that would be a tea boat. He is selling for $28, as tea boats he could sell for more and so there is room for a retailer to add profit.

I see potential everywhere in current artisans for small pots. Really if Chinese potters want to increase their business, to the west, they need to get past their incredulity and make small pots. If anyone can adapt to what sells, I would think Chinese artisans are more likely to than are western artists insisting on doing what they want even if nothing sells.

Scott, if you want to discuss some western artists to approach I can give you several suggestions. Or Nick.

@Cwyn in the case of most of the potters, they don’t really care about the western market. We are a drop in the bucket compared to the Chinese market. Due to high demand they have never not been busy, so additional requests to do “this and that” are just an annoyance to them. I say good for them to be in a position where they can be choosy about who they deal with and what styles “they” want to produce. If the demand weakens I am sure they’ll be more and more receptive to what our customers want.

I’d love to offer US made teawares on http://yunnansourcing.us, please send me some info! Thank You!

AllanK said

I would think a Chinese potter could charge more money for the Western market? Is this not the case? Or is it someone other than the potter makes the extra money so they don’t bother.

@AllanK Most of the potters we deal with my wife deals with, so they have no idea that the pots are being sold to westerners. I have dealt with people online and by phone for years sometimes, then when I visit them and they see me (and only then) do they know I am a westerner. It doesn’t matter regardless because when you know the prices in the market you can immediately weed out the people trying to over-charge you (the motivations for them to do so could be numerous)!

@Cwyn @YS and all…
Don’t know if Mary Cotterman hangs out here on Steepster? I think she may be the kind of person who could hold the key to said problem. Probably does / could care about the western market for smaller pots. If anyone knows her actual contact info, you should send her Scott’s way!!

https://www.instagram.com/m.e.cotterman/

https://www.facebook.com/mary.cotterman.54

@9000things Thanks…. will make contact and see what what kind of work she is doing. Thank you!

Bitterleaf said

One of the issues with making smaller pots (at least for artists working with zitao that I’ve talked to) is that the shrinkage during firing is already up to 20% and the breakage will be much higher than some of the larger sized pots. Obviously success rate is closely linked to price, meaning they’ll not only be undesirable to a lot of Chinese customers, but also come with a higher price. Additionally, working on pots in detail with a smaller surface area requires more skill and attention. It’s definitely possible to make them, but they often cost more than their larger counterparts. We’ve been working with some artists from Jianshui recently, so I plan to inquire about sub 120ml pots, but it would likely have to be for a custom orders.

Again, I can only really speak to Jianshui purple clay as those are the potters that I’ve dealt with mostly.

@Bitterleaf yes this is a good point too. The smaller pots are more likely to break and are harder to work on as well… I think the higher breakage rate holds for Yixing as well…

curlygc said

Part of what drove me to take a pottery class was frustration at trying to find 80-100ml cups to match the size of my pots. I don’t want to pour my tea into two tiny cups. Of course, it was also the fascination with ceramics in general, and what keeps me going back is the meditative aspect of throwing. I will likely end up drinking tea from my own cups though. When you cannot find the size/shape you want, make it yourself! Of course, that’s not likely to happen with pots. Pots are an entirely different kettle of fish in terms of skill/difficulty. I do expect to be able to make some small (75ml-ish) unglazed shibos eventually though, because those are also next to impossible to find. I still haven’t managed to snag a Novak piece b/c of the crazy demand.

100% agree. I drink alone and have a hard time finding smaller vessels.

Bitterleaf said

@curlygc My experience of walking into teaware shops or talking to teaware artists in China has been that if you pick up (or inquire about) a 100ml or less pot, they’ll tell you it’s not practical or very functional, and immediately start talking about a bigger pot or a more popular style. There are definitely some out there, but as mentioned before, they cost more (for legit quality clay ones at least). People in China are far more inclined to follow what’s popular and sells, and often copy it to death before deviating from that to try something new or niche.

Cwyn said

Some have said that Chinese sellers don’t want to sell to the west. If that were true, I’d have fewer teapots to wade through online, searching through hundreds in a single session is quite common for me. Again, it is just a disconnect with the end user. Someone who is smart and wants to make sales will figure it out.

Bitterleaf said

Chinese sellers will gladly sell to the west, but very few will go out of their way to do so, especially if they are making comfortable sales domestically. Setting up an aliexpress store and selling whatever’s available is one thing, working to figure out what the western market really wants and putting in extra work to develop or source something is a completely different one. Add to that what we already know about the size of the Chinese domestic market vs western market, the presumption that westerners don’t “understand” tea, etc, and a lot of vendors probably just don’t see the opportunity.

It seems like breaking away from trends or thinking outside the box is an uncommon thing in China. People cling to to what’s popular and what sells, and then imitate that, often without giving any thought to new ways of doing things. You’ll find 10 000 ( <-exaggerated for effect) classic shaped pots with a typical design and some text on it, that looks just like the ones in every other store, before you find 1 pot that does something truly unconventional. I think western artists would be more likely to take a risk and fill in niche gaps and demand for small pots.

@ curlygc I’m trying to get into pottery for the same reason. I also want to get away from the look of Asian tea ware since I’m big into bright primary colors. I can appreciate the beauty of the seafoam greens and muted neutrals but then I think about what it would look like in my apartment next to my For Life multicolored western teaware and cringe. Plus I find I’m not interested in the bamboo/lotus/cherry blossom stuff.

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Honesty on the part of sellers and education on the part of consumers. On the product side there aren’t enough Tian Jian and Ye Jian aficionados. I want to start stockpiling those huge 25kg baskets of Tian Jian! http://imgur.com/BW20rTA

Yes! to honesty, integrity, and engagement with and within the tea community.

AllanK said

Do you currently sell Tian Jian? What sort of tea is it? Hei Cha?

AllanK said

I may have to try some the next time I put in an order.

@AllanK – I think you would like it… it’s the closest thing to Single Malt Highland Scotch I’ve experienced in tea.

AllanK said

Just realized I have one of those coming in my order from the US site.

Ah yeah the 50 grams in the Black Box…. I like that one. Let me know if it was something you enjoyed. Or not.

bef said

Agreed on honesty.

Just an example, but I’ve seen a vendor posting pictures from image banks on Instagram and lying to make it looks like its his own pictures.

It’s a harmless lie, but how exactly are you supposed to trust anything coming from someone who make up stories they don’t even have to? I need tea vendors, not storytellers.

@bef It’s common I think. We post pictures either taken by us or by our growers/suppliers. It’s going to be interesting to see how many “newest flavor of the month” tea companies will still exist in 2, 5 or 10 years. There’s just a glut of tea companies out there, most with little or no knowledge of their sources.

bef said

@Yunnan Sourcing: Posting image bank images might be common, but adding comments that are explicit lies to make it look like it’s their own picture really falls in a different category…

Bitterleaf said

@bef Even posting image bank images is weak at best, IMO… If you are a vendor, you should A) have your own tea and B) have a camera. After all, it’s 2016.

tperez said

I really enjoyed a tian jian sample I got from you, I’d definitely be excited to see more hei cha offerings!

@tperez Cool glad to hear it… I am really getting into Tian Jian and it’s variants.

AllanK said

Scott, I tried that Tian Jian and did not like it. Do they all taste like that one?

@AllanK – that one is unique in it’s peaty and smoky profile. Is that what you didn’t like about it?

AllanK said

I didn’t mind the smoke it only lasted about two steeps. It did, however, just have a flavor profile I didn’t like, just tasted unpleasant to me. Maybe that was the peaty like you said. You can’t like them all.

@AllanK – indeed it’s a very distinctive tea. Kind of a love/hate tea for some. ;-)

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nycoma said

hmm.. there could be more variety of vari temp kettles..

AllanK said

We need a variable temperature ceramic kettle like the Anta Pottery Clay Boiler but variable temperature.

@AllanK I wish such a thing existed…

boychik said

@ yunnansourcing I love my new boiler, I keep using it everyday all day long. And I don’t miss my crappy Breville variable. I have two temps now : boil and off boil.

mrmopar said

I bought one of these things. I hope it will be worth it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VR755J6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00

@boychik glad to hear it. I love mine too… it adds to the quality of the water and makes the overall session more elegant and special for me.

Bonavita?

LuckyMe said

As a plastic-phobe, I’d like an all-metal or glass variable temperature kettle. It me forever to find an electric kettle without plastic (http://www.amazon.com/Secura-Stainless-Electric-Kettle-Exterior/dp/B011BE7V8W/ref=sr_1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1456930657&sr=1-2) but now I have to use a foot long kettle thermometer with it which is annoying.

bef said

@LuckyMe: Bonativa. But maybe you shouldn’t worry too much about plastic: quite often, the water has to go through a lot of plastic before it reaches the kettle. And obviously, it’s the same if you buy bottled water.

Yeah, @luckyme isn’t the bonavita plastic free? Atleast I do not recall their being any plastic that the water would touch.

http://www.amazon.com/Bonavita-Variable-Temperature-Electric-Gooseneck/dp/B005YR0F40/ref=sr_1_2?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1456939114&sr=1-2&keywords=bonavita

Cwyn said

OolongOwl recently posted a review of tea kettles incl the Bonavita. The drawbacks she points out are worth noting.

bef said

The only drawback about the Bonavita is that it’s trying to be too much precise. So when it’s about 5°C below the target temperature, it keeps cycling on/off to slowly reach the exact temperature.

So when all you need is boiling water (100°C), it can take a while to go from 95°C up to 100°C. Pretty annoying.

That issue aside, I’ve been using one of these at work and home on a daily basis for about 3 years, and I can’t really complain.

LuckyMe said

According to Amazon reviews, there is plastic inside the Bonavita kettle.

An alternative to variable temperature electric kettles is to use a tetsubin with an induction cooktop. You’ll still need a small thermometer but the advantage is you can easily adjust temperature.

Personally, I’m looking forward to this little induction wand hitting the market: http://www.miito.com/

The bonavita doesn’t have a dry boil feature, that is a major deal breaker for most people.

My cuisinart will start flashing and beeping then shut off. My bonavita doesn’t do anything and I only notice it is empty when I hear the plastic base cover cracking and warping.

Second deal breaker is that there is no audible sound when it is up to temperature. The excessive button pressing is annoying to no end, but the dealbreakers I stated are pretty bad.

http://oolongowl.com/bonavita-variable-temperature-gooseneck-kettle-1-liter-teaware-review/

nycoma said

yea, the plastic inside comes from the top of the handle.

Given that most people’s houses are heated at a near constant temperature you could simply take the temperature (after achieving a boil) once every 30 seconds and make a chart across five or ten minutes. You could then just use a timer and the chart from there on out. Once you got used to looking at the chart you could probably just basically know within 1 or 2 degrees the temperature of the water just by referring to the timer (time since boiled).

Kaylee said

@LuckyMe – That Miito looks amazing! I love the idea of being able to use any vessel. My concern is that it will end up costing upwards of $100.

Cwyn said

Yunnan Sourcing should sell me that yellow kettle. This is a void in the tea world that could be fixed right now.

How about using a sterno under a small opt on a variable height stand so that once a specific temperature is reached the water can be held steadily at that temperature by raising or lowering the pot to the flame. Obvious disadvantage is an open flame.

LuckyMe said

@Kaylee, yeah according to their Facebook page it will cost $205. That’s double the cost of variable temp kettles despite having fewer parts. I suspect the price reflects the high manufacturing costs of the first production run and will hopefully climb down over time.

Kaylee said

@LuckyMe, that’s exorbitant. That’s getting into Breville territory pricing! I might still get it if the price goes down or they start selling refurbished ones.

@Tea and Cheese Lover, that sounds like a fun solution on a slow weekend afternoon but not very practical otherwise, especially for people with kids or pets. Maybe a similar setup with a hot plate?

ccrtea said

The top of the plastic handle is a non-issue inside the Bonavita kettle. The plastic piece is well above the max-fill line, and has silicone pads between the plastic piece and the metal kettle. Steam could conceivably condense on that plastic bit and drip back in, but that would be inconsequential assuming heat resistant plastic.

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cookies said

An all oolong tea club :( Seriously, someone make this happen!

Rasseru said

scott might chime in. He said a possibility

@cookie @Rasseru – Ask and ye shall receive!

https://yunnansourcing.com/en/content/23-yunnan-sourcing-tea-club-monthly-list-of-teas

Will work on possibility of Taiwan Sourcing Tea Club soon!

Rasseru said

Excellent!

I understand there is sometimes crossover with the premium tea club, whats your overall plan for this?

cookies said

You are the absolute best. Just signed up and can’t wait for the first delivery!

@Rasseru – crossover is inevitable. There are just aren’t enough teas for all the plans to never have teas that might have been in another plan. As far as I know nobody has subscribed to more than one plan at a time.

@cookies – thank you!

Rasseru said

Yes, I know that, but I have noticed that often the plans contain very different teas, and dont cross over too much, I wondered if that is a concious choice on your behalf, and had some kind of plan (which is a good one if so)

worded a bit wrong maybe

I’m a member of Eco-Cha’s club and so far it has all been Oolongs, I think they might pepper in a red here and there but from what I understand they will keep the focus on the Oolongs

@Rasseru It’s getting really difficult to check against past clubs… I kind of dread developing the list each month because I have to exhaustively go through past clubs and make sure I am not repeating myself. ;-)

Rasseru said

Also the pricing is wrong, supposed to be all tea clubs free for steepster members whos name begins ith R and ends with asseru

cookies said

Thanks, Amanda! I definitely wouldn’t mind a few Taiwanese blacks in my subscription, but am not sure if they ever plan to throw in some greens. I suppose I could always trade those anyway though…

I would be surprised if they ever tossed in greens, but I am just going based off what they have sold in the shop, though you might want to give Nick a shout and I bet he could let you know….

Or trade, that is always a good option :P

Hey I saw this sub on reddit, it looks like an Taiwanese sub, lots of oolong

http://idestea.com/subscriptions/

Discount codes/more info https://www.reddit.com/r/teasales/comments/4abbc3/75_off_first_month_subscription_of_taiwanese_tea/

cookies said

Oooh, thanks. Might as well try a month at that price.

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