Beginner looking to step things up a bit

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ekm0924 said

Thank you so much, everyone, for all your help. I look forward to buying a bunch of samples based on recommendations here.

I know in this thread I was talking about drinking tea at the office, but I also have a dream of purchasing a tea kettle that I can set to boil water to a certain temperature at a certain time of the day. I have a tough time getting out of bed every morning, and I think having a pot of water ready to pour over tea when the alarm goes off would help a lot. After a bit of googling, this seems to be the only real option I can find and it doesn’t look that great from the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-40996-Programmable-1-7-Liter/dp/B0083I7THI

Does anyone know any other/better options?

Rasseru said

A vari-temp kettle is my favourite thing, and a brilliant idea having it wake you up as well.

but.. I see what you mean, ive read two reviewers says it hits the setting at full power and so goes over the desired temp. That might be annoying if you cant get it right – delicate teas like whites and greens will go bitter at higher temps.
Getting the right steeping parameters were one of the things that gave me an ‘ah-ha!’ moment and suddenly everything tasted so much better.
Some members here might know of a better kettle – Im in the UK and we dont have as many brands here

Casey select said

That’s the kettle I have—best $20 Walmart purchase ever! But the reviewers are right, it gets a little… overzealous… when it’s heating up. You can hear it turn on to heat the water, so I usually wait a minute or two after it turns off to use it if I’m steeping a green, white or oolong that might get grumpy with water that’s too hot.

I’ve recently noticed that when it turns on it SOUNDS like the water’s boiling, but it’s not. It’s just vocal. I’ve considered picking up a cheap cooking thermometer just to check how close it’s getting to the temperature I set it at…

I have the Krups glass one. I think I spent about $80 on it at Kohl’s last year during a sale. There are only 4 different temp settings, so no, it’s not as precise as the really expensive one people get. For example, I can set it to 194 (the temp recommended for some Japanese greens) and not 195 (recommended for some oolongs). I’m not the sort of person who actually minds or notices a 1 degree difference, so it works great for me. For me, this was a good middle-range price point, and it’s going strong after a year.

You could get it for $75 at Lord & Taylor right now (sitewide 25% off sale, code EXTRA):
http://www.lordandtaylor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/lord-and-taylor/electronic-glass-tea-maker?site_refer=CSE_GGLPRADS001_LT&prod_id=0201-FL700D51&CAWELAID=120178030002820775&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=120178030000916986&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKEAiA8K20BRDetNv3p6DNhXwSJADSwa3tjOKf_1GTQsvhUDw7bMMnKWGDNleOuplOi7v4rKYSBRoCFlzw_wcB

I’m perfectly happy with it, but I don’t use the steeper that comes in it either. I steep in my gaiwan or steep basket.

ekm0924 said

@kristinalee — Thanks! Does that have a timer function, though?

@Casey — Maybe I’ll go ahead and just get that one. It’s a good price, and since I’ll mostly be drinking black tea, I guess the temperature should probably be fine as long as it’s just off boiling.

Oh, like a steeping timer? No, I just look at my watch for gaiwan brewing or use the kitchen stove timer for English brewing. Also, you can get them pretty cheap at any home goods store if your stove doesn’t have one.

Also, there’s a “warm” button, and you can keep it at the same temperature for up to an hour, which is really helpful with all the resteeping.

ekm0924 said

Nope, I mean a time-set function, so I could fill it with water at night and set it to boil at, say, 8:00am.

No it doesn’t, but it only takes about 2 minutes to boil.

Rasseru said

Just for comparison – ive got a Bosch Styline. – Its a good kettle, does 70/80/90/100 which gets me by fine. 70 for green, 80 for white, 90 for some Oolongs & darks, 100 for other Oolongs & darks. Boils really quickly.

BUT – It has a really loud beep. So loud in fact theres actually a youtube video of another owner showing you how to take it apart and remove the beeper. lol. you need an odd shaped tool to do it, but it was easy.

Honestly – SO LOUD – My flatmate could hear from my room to his across a 1400 sqft flat.

Ah, yeah, the Krups doesn’t beep. There’s just a quiet click.

Inkling said

I’ve had the Hamilton Beach kettle for over a year now and I think it’s great for the price! It does tend to keep heating up once it reaches the temperature you set, but as long as you’re paying attention and pour it into your teapot as soon as it reaches the set temperature, it works just fine. (Or, if I’m not paying attention and let it overheat, I just pop the lid for a minute and it usually cools down quite quickly.)

There are certainly better kettles out there if you’re willing to spend the money on them, but I definitely recommend this one if you’re looking for a budget-friendly option!

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ekm0924 said

Oh man, I would totally get that piece of extravagant machinery. But it doesn’t look like it’s available in the US.

Dustin said

I think the Breville one touch tea maker has a timer function, if you wanted to go extravagantly fancy. Personally, if I was going to go for fancy extravagance, I’d buy a MIITO. I love the futuristic minimalist design and the energy saving aspect. http://www.miito.com/

Ah, yeah, the Breville was the expensive brand I was thinking about.

ekm0924 said

Woah, the Breville looks awesome. Just what I was looking for and more. That would be amazing — I wouldn’t even need to steep the tea myself! Great way to get out of bed in the morning. $250 is a bit steep (heh), though it may be hard to resist . . .

Dustin said

Teavanna has a multi temp glass kettle that is the same body as the One Touch without the fancy inner steeping mechanism or timer. That is the one that I have had for a few years and I love it. I do have to steep my own tea tho…

I didn’t want to spend as much as the Breville and now I’m glad I didn’t. It barely takes mine any time to heat up, and I’d rather steep my own tea so I have more control over it.

ekm0924 said

Totally understandable. My reason for wanting something like this is that I am really, really not a morning person (I have a tough time getting out of bed everyday) and I think having hot water or tea made and ready for me would help me get up more easily. Partly due to laziness, partly due to something warm, comforting and delicious available to help ease the pain of getting up.

Huh, I can understand that. I am a morning person, but it’s hard for me too, especially when it’s cold in the winter.

If you take a shower in the morning (not a given, I guess) then you would need to allow for a 10 minute delay to work through all that, so it wouldn’t matter, you could plug in or hit a switch on a kettle. Or no? It took some working out but after awhile it wasn’t so hard to make tea a part of a breakfast routine that really doesn’t delay things.

Omg! I actually have the ikettle! It’s so odd to finally see some discussion on this site about it. My boyfriend is really into techie gadgets like this that use WiFi, so of course he got me one for Christmas a year or two back.

I actually kinda hate it. The app the ikettle uses is not great, and crashes often. I barely use it anymore. The lid is not secure, and the heating process can take a lot of time. Also, there are only a few temp settings. I don’t mind it, but everyday I wish for a bonavita with a gooseneck spout.

Bonavita… I didn’t know about that one — it looks very nice. I shouldn’t already be making a list for my next electric tea kettle when the one I have is perfectly functional, but I do wish I’d known about that one when I bought the one I have now.

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Responses here have taken the initial question at face value, about looking for black teas and related blends only, but it might not hurt to look into other tea types a little, to branch out. If you visit a tea shop often you can try some at no cost, based only on the understanding that you will probably buy something. Lighter oolongs make for another nice starting point, although since you’re already on black teas something altogether different may make sense, just depends on preference. For me it’s nice having a few kinds around (or lots, really) so that I can pick what I feel like having at any particular time. There’s a trick to buying tea that’s inexpensive and still nice, which works better with some types than others, and always depends on the specific version, but regardless of all those factors trial and error helps most.

ekm0924 said

Oh, definitely. I do want to try other things — I like green tea as well and will look forward to trying some nice options.

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csross said

I’ve just gotten into good tea within the past year, too. Recently, I’ve been drinking the breakfast and afternoon blends from Upton, along with their fine tea sampler (which is a good intro to Darjeeling, Yunnan, and Keemum black tea styles). They do small samples (15 g?) for $1-1.50 each, so that’s been fun to try.
For work brewing, I got a Bonavita travel kettle that is great and simple to use, but a boiling water tap will be even easier. Pour some water in your mug for a minute to heat it, then dump it out. Refill with hot water and add tea in a brewing basket – I got a cheap nylon mesh one at the grocery store for $5, but the Finum recommended above looks more durable.
http://www.republicoftea.com/the-peoples-brew-basket/p/v00978/
It’s easy to set the basket on a saucer to save the leaves for resteeping later. To clean, just dump in the trash and rinse in a sink.

ekm0924 said

Oh dear, I just looked at the Upton samplers and I think I want about 6 of them . . .

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Hiya! Upton’s Hunan Mao Feng is my favorite daily black tea. It’s recently been restocked at Upton after being out of stock for months. :) I tend to drink most of my teas straight, so I can’t tell you how milk goes with it… but I think it would be alright. I love it because it doesn’t get bitter if I over steep it. It has good body and a nice dark chocolate tone. Very reasonable price and you can get a sample to try it out first!

http://www.uptontea.com/store/item.asp?itemID=ZK23

ekm0924 said

Yum! Saved to my wishlist, thank you :)

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Cuisinart now has a mid-range one with 6 temperature settings that is programmable. I don’t remember this being available when I was in the market for one, but it also holds more water at a time:

https://www.harney.com/cuisinart-perfectemp-cordless-kettle.html

ekm0924 said

Thanks! That looks so nice, though looks like only programmable in terms of temperature, not brew time.

Lynxiebrat said

Thats the kettle I have, have had it for 4 years…for the most part I like it. Every so often it doesn’t beep like its supposed to when it gets to the right temp. Been seriously thinking about the Bonavita gooseneck kettle though…the cuinsinart is still working fine…just want a new one.

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And this travel kettle seems like it would be handy for work:

https://www.harney.com/bonavita-dual-voltage-travel-kettle.html

ekm0924 said

That looks nice, and is probably the one azurephoenix mentioned up above, as well. Depending how into this I get, I may take the temperature of the water that comes out of our hot water tap to see how close it is to boiling and then get something like this if it doesn’t quite make it.

csross said

Yes, that’s very similar to the one I use. Mine doesn’t have the dual voltage option, but it’s only $30 at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Bonavita-Voyage-0-5-Liter-Electric-Travel/dp/B008YQLZOW
I tried using a Hot Shot, but it only got up to 185F or something – ok for greens or tea bags, but not my blacks. This one gets to a rolling boil.

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Rasseru said

Ah, also a little electronic kitchen scale really helps, 1 teaspoon of puerh might be a few grams whereas 1 teaspoon of silver needle might only be one gram.

Ive got these ones, they work fine – as long as they go to a decimal point for measuring 3.5g or whatever they should suffice.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Smart-Weigh-SWS600-Pocket-Digital-y/dp/B00GS8LWIW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1452206456&sr=8-7&keywords=electronic+scale+.1g

I got a super cheap one from Kohl’s that is currently missing. Food Network brand.

Rasseru said

ah, you’re sorted then. all you need some way of getting the temperature right, even if its just a cheap thermometer for now – it really is the difference between a sweet tea and a bitter tea.

I cant believe I have been drinking green tea with boiling water for most of my 20s, what a waste.. its a different drink at 70c

Rasseru said

You’re lucky to have red blossom tea near you, if you can go there and get samples or taste the tea in the shop, I would do that

Oh no, I’m not the one who needs one. I just mentioned it here as a possible option.

@Rasseru: My dad had some green oolong that he steeped at boiling, and he said it was bitter. I said I’d show him how to make it the right way one day.

Rasseru said

Haha oh Yeah you’re kristina not ekm0924..

It was the lack of avatar so you both are the same blue teapot

Yeah, I should find an avatar.

Rasseru said

All right I found one in my photos. It is a picture of a colorful piece of fabric which has nothing to do with tea.

Rasseru said

haha perfect.

kind of drifting off topic a bit, but it was odd for me to experience people brewing green tea with boiling point water in Vietnam. one might see that as an error on their part but it seems to be a national convention, that they prefer that bitterness. they also tend to drink the tea from a pot without any limit on brewing time, so it gets quite astringent. it’s funny how much of preference isn’t actually universal. the same tea turns out well brewed at lower temperature for a limited time.

American Southerners leave the black tea to steep until it the water completely cools and then put it in the refrigerator. Indians I know steep their chai in the boiling water for 20 minutes.

masala chai is a little different because you can brew frightfully strong tea and then it goes right back to pleasant once the milk and sugar hits it. Southern sweet tea is a little like that, maybe not so clear that it works as well, to me. they get the same result by adding a lot of sugar, though, compensating for the resulting astringency.

or really the standard approach is to boil the milk with masala chai, as I understand it, not that it changes the same basic idea.

Rasseru said

Ha yes, Ive been to india 6 times and theres a big pot with everything in boiling all day long. SO sweet. too sweet. blech.

Sri Lanka is interesting, its basically one big tea mountain with herbs & fruit growing on it

Well, yeah, you boil it with milk, but I don’t think it’s 100% milk — maybe I’m wrong on that.

I drink unsweetened Southern tea when I’m in the South. The overwhelming sweetness started to get to me, so I got used to the bitterness instead.

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Another option in SF is Aroma, they have on in Chinatown and one on Clement x 4th Ave. They do tastings if you’re unsure about what to buy. There’s also May Wah supermarket down Clement x 8th(?) Ave, and they have a pretty large selection of all sorts of asian supermarket teas (two aisles!); but most of the supermarkets down there on Clement between 4th Ave and Park Presidio will have a decent offering of supermarket tea.
The Lupicia in the Market st Valleyfair mall also does tastings of teas you’d like to try, but it’s better to go when it’s not too crowded. There’s also a DavidsTea in the basement of that mall that sells to-go cups of their teas so you can try if you’re unfamiliar. If you really want I think there might also be a Teavana in that mall, but I never sought it out so I can’t remember. From there it’s just a short walk to Grant st and Chinatown. I think there’s also a new tea market that opened in the Ferry Building but the name is escaping me at the moment.

ekm0924 said

Thanks! I’m not too far from May Wah, actually, so that’s a great idea.

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So, if you don’t have too much advice yet . . . ;)
You sound like me! I’ve been thinking about it for a long time, but I actually got started with loose leaf tea a few months ago because (of all things) I didn’t like throwing away so many tea bags. I was drinking mostly chai at that point, although earl grey was also one of my go-to teas. Anyway, now I’m trying all the low-cost samples I can find to determine what my tastes in loose-leaf tea are. I figure I’ll never know if I like matcha and oolong or not if I never try them. So I’ve been looking through this thread that lists samples from various companies: http://steepster.com/discuss/12374-looking-to-buy-tea-samplers-from-tea-stores-slash-shops

I hope it’ll be helpful to you too! I’ve actually ordered samples from three different companies already this month and it’s so much fun I don’t know if I can stop! :P

But my favorite tea store of ALL right now is Adagio, because they both have good tea and keep giving me free stuff. (It’s crazy. Over the course of three orders, they’ve offered me at least four free samples, a $5 off coupon, a couple of 5% off coupons, and a $10 coupon for loyalty “points.”) If you go to their website you can get a free $5 gift certificate mailed to you, so you can try some samples at practically no cost. (And they’ll usually give you an extra free sample with each order when you post about it on social media.) My favorite so far is the Pu Erh Dante, which I drink with milk, of course. If you like dark teas you’ll probably like Pu Erh, although you really have to try it to find out. Some people don’t like the earthiness.

Anyway, that’s about all the wisdom I’ve collected over the past couple of months! Hope you have fun! :)

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